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Lenin Lives Longer
Give Lenin another 5 to 20 years
AH
Challenges
iPads, Spain in World
War II, etc.
No British/French
Guarantee For Poland
How does that change World War II?
Excerpt:
Exchange Sequel
Trapped in an alternate reality with a bunch of
convicts. What else could go wrong?
Church of the
Space Saviors
A very different alien invasion
Multiple Human
Species?
How could we have ended up with multiple surviving
human species?
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The
latest DNA
evidence seems to indicate that a small percentage of the DNA of
non-Africans did stem from Neanderthals. Geneticists were able to
spot that once they had actual Neanderthal DNA. They found certain
genes that were in common between Neanderthals and non-African
humans, but were not shared with people of African ancestry.
Also,
the DNA from the non-Neanderthal, non Homo sapiens finger bone
(Denisovian (spelling?) I guess they're calling the people it stems
from) has apparently been passed along to Melanesian people (from New
Guinea and vicinity), where it makes up around 7% of the DNA. That's
consistent with a late survival of these people in Java, and
interbreeding with modern humans there before continuing on to New
Guinea and the surrounding islands. I have not heard of any link with
Australian aborigines, which is a bit surprising.
Apparently
the part of the DNA of Neanderthals and Denisovians that survived the
most was in parts of the immune system which apparently protected
against diseases that were prevalent in Europe or Asia, but not
Africa.
As
to places where
sort of humans could have survived: The most likely spots are the
crumpled edges of Europe and Asia. Based on primitive tool findings,
there were humans of some sort on Crete early enough for them to have
not been from our line of humans. Sardinia and Corsica are other
possibilities. In Asia, Sulawesi in Indonesia is a likely spot, as
are some of the Philippine islands. A human bone fragment was
recently found in the Philippines dating back before humans were
thought to have reached there, but right at the margin where they
could have been modern humans.
One
other
possibility: An ecological niche that modern humans couldn't compete
effectively in. Apparently African pygmy groups were very isolated
genetically and could have eventually become a separate species given
enough time. In their case, the separation was because a full-sized
human just didn't do well in their habitat and pygmy people didn't do
well outside it. Off-spring of a mixed couple wouldn't fit well in
either world.
Neanderthals may have lasted as long as they did
because of an ecological separation. Some theories say that they were
specialized for ambush hunting in forested areas and that more open
areas were always marginal habitat for them, partly because it
required more mobility and those big, muscular bodies wore out
quickly when Neanderthals were forced to move long distances to
follow the game. That line of thought goes on to say that
Neanderthals became extinct when the last ice age reduced the amount
of their favored habitat to the point where their population was too
low to be viable.
It's an interesting theory, with some
interesting implications. Among them: modern humans were specialized
open-country types, and developed weapons and tools designed to be
light-weight so they could move around more easily, even though they
took more energy to produce. When Neanderthals were forced into open
country, they developed similar weapons and tools, but as mentioned,
they weren't as good at open country living, and Neanderthal
skeletons in probable open country almost invariably show signs of
crippling arthritis.
The dates when Neanderthals became
extinct in various places are in considerable dispute, but it seems
that they may have had a last refuge in southern Spain, and may have
survived there for thousands of years after they died out elsewhere,
with some of the last survivors living near the Rock of Gibraltar,
which brings up some cool images.
The 'end of their habitat
killed them' theory says that our ancestors probably had little to do
with the death of the Neanderthals. The worsening interglacial turned
forest to open country which Neanderthals couldn't hand, but our
ancestors were already adapted to. I'm a little skeptical about our
ancestors being blameless. Even if open country wasn't prime
Neanderthal habitat, it was territory they apparently used when there
wasn't anything better available. Modern humans moving into that
territory would have made Neanderthal adaptation to the ice age
advances that much harder.
There may have been some luck
factors involved in Neanderthal extinction. There are hints that
Neanderthals in the Caucasus may have been wiped out locally by the
climate aftermath of a large volcano eruption. There was also a
rather nasty strato-volcano in Italy at about the time Neanderthals
died out there, though I haven't seen it linked to the disappearance
of Neanderthals in Italy.
Sicily was attached to the mainland
during the peak of the last ice age, and I could see it being a last
refuge of the Neanderthals in Italy--which would have made the
Neolithic interesting there. Surviving Neanderthals versus early
farmers. Not sure how that would work out. Probably the Neanderthals
would have been wiped out.
You almost have to have
continent-sized occupied areas to keep a separate species around
through the waves of technology that swept out after the invention of
agriculture. Most human groups didn't survive as distinct entities.
What happened to all of the groups that lived in the way of the
Chinese expansion, for example, or any one of several huge expansions
in Eurasia?
Posted
on
Jan 4, 2012.
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